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What not to do when you get stopped for speeding.
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Dec. 2005
I have had a phone call from an
unfortunate and annoyed fellow Brit. in the Canary Islands, who due to
his ignorance of the Law in Spain, and this is not an insult in anyway
as we are all ignorant of many things, has just effectively been
banned from driving for two months.
I say effectively because he was
stopped in a trap doing 100 kph in a 60 zone. This is 67% over the
speed limit, and the the law allows 20% over before any penalty is
issued, which I think is very fair, but 67% is way over the limit. Of
course, the gentleman concerned, not named here for courtesy reasons,
has told me that he did not see any limit signs showing it was a 60 kph
zone, but he was ignorant of the following: -
1. When you are issued with a
denuncia for any traffic offence, you have two months to dispute
it. This is when it pays to join one of the Spanish "insurance"
companies that specialise, for an annual premium, in having free advice
available, usually from a local lawyer who is part of the team, and
he/she will take up the case on your behalf. If it is a speeding fine,
then these are usually squashed, as I have been advised by a Spanish
lawyer friend, by simply disputing the case by letter, and as the police
or Guardia Civil do not like wasting a day or more in Court, it is
usually good enough to just drop the case. But do not expect any
assistance if the charge is driving drunk as this is an offence that can
easily be avoided.
2. Our pensioner friend paid
the €100 fine that was levied with the other penalty in the next
paragraph, effectively admitting guilt.
3. He also was banned from
driving for a month, and not knowing the law, he stopped driving from
the date shown on the "ticket" he was given at the time. He thought he
was obeying the driving ban.
4. Now just over two months
later, he has had a letter from the police demanding that he brings his
driving licence into the station for a month, as the ban now starts.
This is because the authorities wait for two months as the defendant has
this period to dispute the case, for example, by using a lawyer. So he
has effectively had a two month driving ban, one self-imposed, the other
by the police/courts.
5. To add insult to injury,
our unfortunate driver reports that the ticket given to him has the
information written on it that the offence occurred somewhere else, and
this would have been an easy case to get dropped, I am sure.
It is too late now, but if it had
happened to me, I would have gone back the same day and looked for the
60 kph sign. It may have been hidden behind an overgrown tree branch,
or similar. Or what if a truck had been parked where the sign was,
blocking the viewing of it to drivers? With my cheap, “use once only
camera” in the car, I could have taken photos that would have got the
case dropped. My book recommends carrying one, they cost only €6 to 10,
and can save you many times this amount.
Looking at the advice table issued
by Trafico and the Ministerio el Interio and also printed in my
book, Second Edition, on page 52, where the various limits and penalties
are stated, I see that our friend in this case could have been fined up
to €300 and banned for up to three months.
So he was given a relatively low penalty, but it must be galling to
think that it might have been successfully disputed.
The secret is I guess, look around
for the speed signs and make sure that you are within the limit. After
all, like our friend here, many of us are retired so do not need to race
around anymore, especially with the high cost of fuel now.
As for the "insurance" for driving
offences, I wonder if enough English speaking residents here are
interested enough to encourage the companies concerned to offer the
service in English? If you are, drop me a line, please. Enough replies
and I will suggest it to a national one.
Now the next problem our friend has
is telling his insurance company as this action is usually detailed in
the policy. Then his insurance premium might go up next year!
Looking for a
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MOTORING IN SPAIN, SECOND EDITION is
ideal if the driver in your life, even if it is you.
MOTORING IN
SPAIN, SECOND EDITION, ISBN No. 84-609-7295-X. If there is no
bookshop stocking it near you, please send me a post office giro
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padded envelope, post free within Spain.
My address is Urb. Playas de Arenal
94, C/ Cervantes, Las Chapas, Marbella 29604, Malaga. The name is
Brian J Deller.
Drive safely!
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THE FOREIGN EU DRIVING LICENCE SAGA
CONTINUES.
2 Dec 2005
Those of you who have my
latest book and read my articles in the Press or listen to REM-FM radio,
know that it is legal to drive, as a resident in Spain using a foreign
EU driving licence. By now all the policing authorities should
know as well but it has taken a year in some places for the message to
get through.
To save time rewriting the
details again, I have copied E-mails to and from a reader on the
subject, that will temporarily give the latest advice as I know it.
When I have something positive in writing, I will up-date this
paragraph.
You may or may not
remember my contacting you before and after my purchasing your
excellent book regarding the legality of using our UK driving licence
over here in Spain. We live here ( with residencia) and after reading
your book and the registration of our licence at the respective
Traffico, mine would be Alicante and yours I believe was advised
Murcia (No it is Malaga). The question was, "do we pay for this
registration as suggested within your book". You advise that you would
be registering your wife's licence and would advise as to the routine.
Do you have any information to assist me please?
I do understand the
requirement to be legal within Spain, and wish to do so, and I take
note of the situation regarding the periodic medicals as explained,
but even that in the latest Round Town News throws a fox within the
chicken coup.
Reading the various
freebie newspapers there would appear to be a lot of contradiction,
and changes on a virtual daily basis exist with those who legislate
within Spain and the experience of those who have done it. The mind is
boggling as to which way is up.
Can you offer some way
forward to close this topic.
Thank you in
anticipation of your reply.
Mike
Answer:
Dear Mike,
Yes, I remember you. I hope you and
yours are well. The situation seems to have changed in the last
two months as a reader of the RTN paper was stopped in the Gran
Canaries in September, and fined Eur 450 for having a UK license
in a Spanish plated car he owned. He is resident there. Not all
the local authorities are up to date it would seem.
I sent him a copy of the Spanish
Govt. letter advising that this was now legal, and heard
no more until Barrie Mahoney, who is the editor of the RTN in the
Gran Canaries, advised me that with the help of the British Consul
(BC) there, they helped the reader in question get the fine
withdrawn.
The plot thickens because according
to the BC there, only UK licences issued before January 1990 have
to be registered now for language reasons, and it is not necessary
for the EU types (folding card and credit card) with the ring of
stars on them to be registered. However, this causes a problem,
because as in the relevant EU Directive, the laws of Spain (in
this case) must be obeyed by these foreign resident licence
holders, and the same applies for the similar situation in the UK
for PSV and HGV resident foreigners, licence holders there, and I
have that in writing from the DVLA. There are no medicals in the
UK for ordinary "B" etc. licence holders until age 70, but they
may be considering adopting the Spanish system as intimated in the
Press and on TV.
Incidentally, I live near Marbella,
Malaga Province, not Murcia.
To clarify the situation as my
E-mails do not get answered at Malaga Trafico (the excellent DVLA
has never been more than 48 hours), and phoning is now a major
task which ends up speaking with a person there who does not know
anyway, I have asked the BC here in Malaga, Mr. Bruce McIntyre, who
is very helpful in these matters, to ask at the highest level.
It has been a week now (but he is away a lot), so I will enquire
for any progress next week and when I know in writing for
sure, I will put it on my web site and in an article in the
papers.
The problem is that foreign residents
with original (non-Spanish) licences must still have the medicals
every 10/5 and 2 years depending on age. With a Spanish licence,
as they have (or should have) your address, you receive an
aviso (advice letter) with 3 month temporary licence so after
taking the simple medical locally, you can renew the licence
by post and still legally drive (in Spain) in the
meantime.
What we also need to know is how do
Trafico record the medical. Is it on the DVLA
Form D740,
or do they change the licence for Spanish one as
they cannot alter the foreign licence, even to put the local
Spanish address on it, or do they
issue a form to
use with the foreign licence? Or do they do nothing
except just fine those who have not had a medical when caught?
My suspicion is that they have not
yet decided because there is no information in the Trafico
web-site. Watch the Press and my web site for news.
Regards
Brian J Deller
WATCH THIS SPACE.
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DRIVING WITHOUT A
LICENCE IN CADIZ. Many
of the Spanish-based readers will have seen this in the papers, but
there are those who are reading who live outside of Spain. In
fact, I had a query earlier this year from Australia, so I make no
excuse for including items of interest about Motoring in Spain in these
columns for those who will not have seen the item.
A report here in the Press records that in the Province of Cadiz,
through an official government bulletin, states that there has been over
3.000 fines issued for drivers who will did not have a driving licence.
In other words, they were not not insured and in some cases, had had their
licences withdrawn. Now we all know that this happens everywhere,
and the reports for the UK are that there are an estimated million cars
on the road everyday where they are not legal.
Cadiz is a quiet province
situated in the west of Andalucia, so quiet that only two so far of the new fixed
radar traps have been installed there at this time. In Cadiz
Province in 2004, 4.000 licences were seized (usually at the road side)
for "grave (serious) infringements of the law, but many apparently still
carried on driving without the document. However the numbers are
decreasing, but we must remember that every driver without a licence is
uninsured so in the event of an accident, this can cause serious
problems for the legal drivers who only have basic cover such as Third
party, Fire and Theft, and there are many like this, especially the
younger drivers due to the very high cost for them.
The Press article goes on to state that the costs of learning to
drive now is on average, between €980 to €1.560, depending on the
student's ability. For those who are not familiar with the
learning system here, students must first pass a theory examination
before going to the practical driving in specially adapted cars with
dual foot controls. Students are not allowed to have private
lessons with "dad" on the public roads including car parks etc.
Then they must pass the test, after which they have to have an "L" plate
in the rear window for one year, and they then are restricted to a
maximum of 80 kph. For
the English speaking residents, usually the teenagers of parents who
have settled here, unless they are fluent in Spanish, there are very few
licensed schools that teach in English. For those who have a
foreign licence that cannot be exchanged (see my book for more
information on this) the theory can be passed (in Marbella, it can be
taken in week of evenings), and it usually only takes two lessons
driving around the test areas before the "student" is ready for the
test.
Many of the younger Spanish
drivers have no licence because of the very high cost of legally
obtaining one. Makes my learning in an afternoon in a 1934 Austin
7 on the back country roads in Buckinghamshire seem positively dodgy,
but the Suez mini-war was on, and petrol was in very short supply so no
licensed driver was needed to be in the car. And the roads were
virtually deserted. Trafico
reports that in 2004, there were 73.929 accidents in Spain resulting in
death or serious injury, and of these, 1.503 drivers did not have a
licence. This is 2,03%. With less serious accidents, the
total was 88.000, and 1.794 drivers did not have a licence, or 2,04%.
However, with the increased number of officials and the attention being
paid to the roads by the government, the number of accidents is, year by
year, on a downward trend, but drinking (and drugging) and then driving
is still a serious problem, with many of the offenders being otherwise
established members of the community. Personally, I never drink
more than one glass with a meal and drive for two reasons: -
As a
police reservist (volunteer) in South Africa, I have eight occasions
where I have had to tell parents or relations, usually at 3 am, of the
death of loved one in a road accident, the evening before, and in
all cases it serious drinking was involved.
If I have had two or three, and some one runs into me with their
vehicle, the smell on your breath will cause problems when the police
arrive.
I think that
anyone caught over the limit must, in addition to the legal penalties,
must be forced to work with a ambulance team for a few weekends to see
first hand what happens.
Drive safely.
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FOREIGN EU LICENCE REGISTRATIONS Update -
Monday 5 December 2005
According to the British Consul's office in
Malaga, it is indeed mandatory that foreign EU licence holders obey the
Spanish laws, as we know and this includes the periodical medicals.
However, there is still no written explanation on how they are to be
recorded and I have an appointment to see the British Consul next week.
I will report on the results, but at this time, it appears that foreign
EU licence holders must take the mandatory medicals as explained in my
book, and just carry the certificate with them in case they are stopped,
or much more important, if they are involved in an accident. If
the medical has not been taken, and there is a serious accident, the
foreign licence holder may be in a difficult position where, because the
medical had not been taken, their licence was not valid at the time.
Please watch this space (again).
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